I have an entry in a ‘crash diary’ that says exactly this… Interesting to read of your dad’s memories of this crash. Here is a link to more detail of the action and the men’s resting place. My problem is that I do not remember which year that was. I will let you know what transpires. It seems unlikely that some schoolgirls would see the pilot bale out and open his parachute and see where the aircraft crashed, at some distance presumably, and make there way first to apprehend the pilot and then to the crash site. Let me know if there’s anything you need from Parker’s book, I will have a look at another couple of resources but it does sound like you have the story of S9+AB sewn up apart from the location? Locals are said to remember the captured aircrew in the village and subsequent removal of the aircraft. But there are similar stories relating to the air raids on Nottingham of 8/9 May 1941 which is interesting. There was almost nothing left apart from burned bushes just below the roadside. Could be one of these One I do remember from one of those books is the shooting down of an FW-190 – by a Canadian soldier using a Bren Gun, of all things! Am a bit tied up with work but will see if I can get some more detail and photos to you next week. As said will visit dad over xmas so will try and extract more information. One of the so-called Baedecker Raids, perhaps. If you want to learn even more about this crash site there was an article written by Andy Saunders in the January 2009 issue of Britain at War magazine titled “A Far from Ordinary Pond”. Considering the old aircraft that need to be retired within 10 years, India’s aircraft gap is as high as 400. A chronicle of KLM Dutch Royal Airlines founder Albert Plesman and pioneering aircraft manufacturer Anthony Fokker's symbiotic but tempestuous bond as they struggle to establish the interwar Netherlands' role in … I know of one German air crash at Laindon, a Messerschmitt Bf-110 which came down at Kennel Lane (the reference I am looking at says this is at Laindon Common). Aircraft displayed and demonstrated include the; Boeing 787, Piper J-3 Cub, Diamond DA62, Boeing 747-8, Beechcraft King Air 350i, ICON A5, Airbus A320neo, Cessna 172 Skyhawk. All five crewmen were killed and now lie in the Cannock Chase German cemetery. Best wishes My elderly father was evacuated to laindon essex and remembers a German bomber maybe a dornier being persued by a hurricane at rooftop level. Thanks for your two messages. If you have any photos, it would be good to add them here. I also am hoping to see the Sound Mirrors on the Sussex coast at some time which I thought were unique until I came across your photo’s. The thing I remember clearly was the smell of rotting flesh and the little grey strips Again Simon Parry has helped this website, he might have scans of contemporary reports if you contact him. I could copy across some photos if you think this is the one? LT(jg) Brian S. DeHaan, the pilot of the second aircraft, was unable to eject and was killed in the crash. Where there is a probability of finding live ordance or human remains, permission may not be granted, so it could have been an unauthorised dig. Sorry I forgot to mention, I assume you have the information on the mosquito and both crews He177 and Mossie from the action. neck.Would you have any information regarding the crash. If that piece of metal was from the 410, it might have been ejected a considerable distance by the explosion. Ron Dyson and I hiked several times from Eastbourne to Cuckmere Haven, sometimes going back along the beach under the cliffs until we either climbed up Birling Gap or Cow Gap to get back onto the Downs. I like Nigel Parker’s series, have them all. It was raining hard that night. It looks like your uncle was the pilot of Lancaster ME323 which was shot down at eight minutes past one on the morning of 4 March 1945. We have some woods nearby and have found British .50 cal bullets in the woods and scraps of aluminium and have always wondered if they had anything to do with the Heinkel. If that He111 is not the one you were thinking of then maybe Ian’s original suggestion of the Ju88 that was shot down at Poynings Spring Saddlescombe is the one after all. Can anyone confirm the crash location for Westland Whirlwind P7094 that went down in the early hours of 16 May 1943; given as either Melcombe Regis, Dorset or Higher Metcombe, Devon, killing F/Lt HJ Blackshaw of 263 Squadron based at Warmwell, Dorset? Might anyone have further data. I remember one of the older girls next door (the coal man’s daughter) holding my hand and taking me over there to see the crash site. Hi Jez, sorry I have been unable to look at the books I have. Jeremy. So, nothing concrete at this point but the stories of seeing a pilot parachute from a crashing aircraft will have been widely reported at the time, these kids either seeing them happen or talk to other kids who saw them happen. F/S B.V.Mowan Bomber crash in the village of Wellington Heath in Herefordshire in 1942-43. I also used to watch Bury mostly away games. A few miles away at Hawarden airfield, three spitfire pilots, Ayerst, Hallings-Pott and McLean were preparing to secure their aircraft away in hangers for the night, when they too heard the explosions at RAF Sealand and immediately jumped into action scrambling their spitfires. Does anyone know of the crash site of my uncle. Looking at a very old ordnance survey map ‘183 Eastbourne’ the map reference for the mine would be 718194 -not sure what an up to date map reference number would be though. Comment document.getElementById("comment").setAttribute( "id", "a0cc718dc77bf834cb914f028e09896f" );document.getElementById("ibd93b66f5").setAttribute( "id", "comment" ); Notify me of follow-up comments by email. on 27.8.1944 at 04.05 in Albemarle V1782, F/S A.H.Busbridge (Pilot) I was told exactly where it crashed but that was over 25yrs ago & I was in a pub at the time lol. All had died on the same day so I figured they were the crew of a bomber that was shot down in the area, possible a Do-17 or Heinkel-111 . So, plenty of time for spotters on the clifftops to see the threat and call it in. It was published in 1994 and states that parts of the aircraft are/were still being discovered in the fields and hedgerows where the bomber crashed even then. Is it available? In fact I think I’ve also seen the pic you mention with the two bobbies holding parts of the debris. Tantalisingly I was offer info and pics from a local but they never materialised after the death of the locals brother. Local school children, including my 14 year old day, heard of the crash and were soon on it the next morning. It is said a Luftwaffe aircraft, said to be a Dornier, crashed near (in a field behind, so very close) the village during WW2. Under a crash program ordered by Stalin, development began in 1951, first guided launch was in 1953, and by 1956, 2,640 launchers were deployed in defense of Moscow. Hi Paul Marshall, Thank you for your response, I am amazed that there is this type of info collated somewhere. His name is flight sergent robert sidney brothwell raf 1238487. I will get off my soapbox now The replies seem to be about a crash at Friston, and I found another referring to a Luftwaffe crash at Seaford Golf Club. I don’t know of that one sorry, but maybe someone else on here might be able to provide some infor for you. Says the aircraft crashed on fire and was completely smashed. Narrows it down a lot. Other than that, all I can suggest is the usual approaches which you may have already made or considered; a trawl though the mircrofilm archived local newpapers of the time at the local library is time consuming but can turn up all sorts of stuff. Unfortunate the church is now a private residence so dont know if can still access to see if dates tally and get the man’s name. One was Aug 1St 1039, the other in 1944. Based at Guines six miles from Calais in occupied France, His Emil ( ME 109 ). I have pre-ordered the book and early in February will use that to try to find your aircraft if I haven’t stumbled across it before then (I will keep looking meanwhile, might find it wIthout the index). Simon Parry has been of invaluable assistance to me regarding my own research of aircraft downed in my parish and might be able to shed some more light on the crash although as it did not happen during The Battle of Britain I don’t know whether he has as much information to hand. A Dornier 217 crashed at Taring Neville on 22nd Nov 1940 but this is also a bit far from the village. Michael. I’m new to these sites but wonder if anyone can help me. The pilot told them he was sorry & didn’t want to fight but was made too! This incident (16 Aug 1940) is quite well documented with lots of the usual photo’s of the wreckage including one with a photographer Harry Deal posing alongside it. Manston was 11 Group, so were the known crew and perhaps documents etc taken away for scrutiny by 11 Group (perhaps Luftwaffe maps/routes or other “useful” information, cameras and films?) Just read your threds on the Plumpton Wellington L7857 crash site. The bomber was an He111H-6 serial 6N+HR which crashed at 2.55am. Ian. There is a photo which may help if your dad says this sounds right. I do remember that when I went there, it was a warm summer’s day. who were killed near this site walteray.hill29@gmail.com. “The 26-year-old observer on board the Heinkel 111 had jumped from the bomber over the village of Alfriston where the villagers heard his chilling cries and screams as the unfortunate airman tumbled earthwards with an unopened parachute, thus visiting the reality and horror of war on an otherwise sleepy rural community. Hello Ian Thank you for the Reply Iam Looking at going to take a Metal Detector over to the site though I may not find anything. Let me know re; the date if you have it? Hi Guys.. With Leny Breederveld, Daan Schuurmans, Fedja van Huêt, Anniek Pheifer. Thats why I’m interested as dad recalls only the wings were removed the vast majority we think is still under the clay. Maybe it was a Wellington, or a Whitley bomber. Great stuff. Wilhelm Markl. I have been trying to find information of an aircraft crash during WW2 some time in Westbury Wiltshire. She says she also recalls seeing what sounds like a dog fight between two small planes (presumably fighters) above Biscot Mill area of Luton around noon one day (she says she woke up her older brother (who was sleeping after working nights) to tell and show him. Lovely job as usual Tony, I agree that some kits are cursed - I've had a few in my time! The Heinkel 111 crashed there near Cefn Road in Wrexham. But I wasn’t born till 1948. As well as keeping me entertained down the village pub with stories of his own WW2 exploits he would also tell some stories about his dad’s WW1 experiences & whilst telling one of those he let it slip that his dad had been put in charge of an AA battery somewhere near Lympne during WW2. I can send image of this if you can get me an email address. However, one local source mentions a possible plane crash so it seems worth following up…..thanks in advance for any help or advice- PD. Any information will be gratefull received. Yes, there must have been a crowd of souvenir hunters on the first day. My dad served in the Royal Navy from 38-45, he and his mates were of the same opinion, he had respect for his enemy. Thank you so very much for finding all that. Hi Paul, couldn’t anything re; your first enquiry. Hi Jonathan, Would you have anything on this. My email is mfry154@hotmail.com, Yes Micheal I can meet you on the date of the ME109 crash at Hurst Farm if you wish, It came down on the 2nd of September 1940 I believe that it come down at 11.55 am, Be good for us to meet on that date in the village of Chilham and walk down to the crash site, pay our respects …. Since the dates of the deaths of all four airmen were the same, I assumed that they were from just one aircraft. Simon, this is the reply I got from the Rector of Litlington Church: I refer to your letter 14th January in which you ask for information regarding four white-painted crosses carrying the names of German airmen which you saw in the churchyard here in 1952, when you visited with a fellow Boy Scout. Will have a look at what I have and let you know if I find anything James. The aircraft crashed and all five on board were killed. They have a monument stone to the crew that died but its not where it crashed. Does anyone have any information about the crash or where I might find out more info about it or any othe rlcoal crashes that he recalls? Attacked by three Hurricanes, Uffz Rüger turned for home but was shot down. Three Hurricanes then came up from the southwards and gave the German two or three bursts of fire and he fell into the sea. Just Googling round, I found a query on a message board from 6 years ago where a query was posted. Their names were Walter Hottenrott (pilot), Hermann Reese (pilot), and Paul Gotze (Observer). I shall take a look Adam, might be a week or so before am able to though, not at home at present. hello looking for information on allied aircraft which crashed in village of Hallot in France at the end of July 1944 my farther died and two others were wounded trying to rescue the crew, they ran into a mine field, Be nice to know if the crew survived and what aircraft it was. I’m struggling. I only ask as our house in Burgoyne road was flattened by a rogue bomb in 1940 killing the family inside. Elliott's Yard, Ontario in 1993 The Softskin Forum. not a lot of info on the crew on Lufftwafe sites ,Hope your well. Ju 88 shot down by two Hurricanes, resulting in its crash near Winchester, Hants, in Battle of Britain. Usually have my camera slung about my neck and wear a fairly smart jacket to appear presentable but yes, a letter would go a long way! Hope you can help. if You want to with a Metal Detector I would like to Do a Few bomb Sites in Essex if you Wish to Take Part One at Runwell Hospital Wickford and A few at Southend.as I Can do with Someone More exp With me. A very flat meandering plain with the requisite pillboxes and dragons teeth it was a potential landing site for a German Invasion as armour would be able to move inland. That’s all that I have. Numerous aircraft parts have been recovered by metal detection and some witnesses have come forward. The same source said that they buried him at the site would this be likely? Ref: German bomber crash site near Seaford 1941 known facts. I am told it was a Armstrong whitly but can find no colabaration. Ian. Parker always draws a blank on these occasions as well, which means there is nothing in them. Gerald. I googled the werk nummer but nothing leapt out. This has taken nearly 18 months and was a challenge to say the least compared to the other German crash in the Parish. Feel free to add your photos etc here if you wish or add a link to your page? On page 617 there is a written passage to be found on the pages next to the pictures on previous page page 614 shows the funeral that took place after the pilot was brought up and buried … In 1977…. If you could ask him the date and location, I may be able to provide you with more information. Hoping to help Dutch son of Cees’s best friend from those days. I believe the LW did utilize self sealing tanks. In her latest recollection she says that crowds gathered and the plane was large and one part was broken off and there were at least five or more crew, of which two were hurt, who were all taken away by soldiers. Aircrew members who died were: F/O Thomas James Michael Nash (Pilot), P/O James Cunningham Porteous, W/O Peter Alfred Merrall and Flt/Sgt. I am beginning to wonder if this is not a V1 crater as 19 seem to have been recorded around Mountfield….I will keep looking. We also saw the jail were the crew was taken after capture. Do you know where I could view pictures of the plane? Someone had painted the crosses with the names of four German airmen, with rank, serial numbers, etc. Many Thanks Hi Kay, any idea of the date, or even just the year? Apparently the aircraft disintegrated so the debris will have been spread out over a wide area but I suspect the majority of the debris landed in one compact place. Quite a few bits and pieces of chewed up metal were sold on a few auction sites a few years ago claiming to be relics from this crash. I doubt it helps any but you can see if you wish. Could anyone assist me with this query? and again I would love to find out more although as it blew up mid flight the debris landed all over the place with no discernible crater I suspect. In the book ‘German Bombers Over England’, there is a fascinating photo of several Do-17s flying seemingly below cliff level, just east of Cuckmere Haven (which is very close to Litlington! Any news appreciated. The seller advised that his friends father had been a boy in 1940 & had probably scrounged the part after the crash. Does anyone have information of a Heinkel which crashed in the north Cumbria area near to Steel road / Blackpoolgate location which is Bewcastle parish Needham could find no more to confirm the story. Very nostalgic for me as I visited the farm where the crew sheltered the first night night and Ulich and Helga Jensen gave them food at great risk to themselves. Two Years to Stop the Spread - Australia to Shut Borders Until 2022 Despite Vaccine. Battle Rural District bore the brunt of V1’s shot down. But there is more out there about this if you want to look for it. Hi Ian, I’m with my father now and more info as promised. On my train to London I once counted about 20 pillboxes dotting the countryside and that started it off. Would love to spend some time in Kent and Sussex again, so much if interest down there for middle-aged anoraks like me. I have shown some photos of possibley that aircraft. The fact that I help harvest for an award winning local vineyard has absolutely nothing to do with it……….ahem. We hit the M25 at rush hour on a Friday evening. Would be interesting if our fathers knew each other. Status: Retired. Doodlebugs and Rockets by local historian Bob Ogley is a useful source. Also I think that no deliberate effort should be made to find his remains however if they are found they should be removed and given a proper burial and or a memorial with a service placed on the crash site. I have in the past approved a comment telling the person I will get back to them when I get chance – only to forget all about it, so not approving a comment is just like having an email marked as unread; I know I need to do something with it! I would appreciate any information you have on John, 44 squadron or Lamsdorf. First surface-to-air missile deployed by the Soviet Union. I am still trying to learn more about the four graves of Luftwaffe aircrew that I saw in Litlington (East Sussex) church yard sometime around 1949/50. The Burma Campaign 1941 - 1945. Hi Steve, without looking in detail, I haven’t anything more than Parker’s entry in Luftwaffe Crash Archive Vol 2 – do you already have a copy of this book? J. Luksch, Uff F Kuttner and Uff Driessen. My website will show more about Schmitter and his BF. Was it 1940 by any chance. It would be good if this is your aircraft as there are a lot of photos of it on the ground, even some cine footage in existence. Lancaster 2 LL683 of 514 Sqn crashed out of fuel just west of Sawbridgeworth airfield on 31/3/44. Your email address will not be published. Do please let me know how you get on, be good to add a photo here or a link to your site if you add it there for anyone else searching for it. Thanks …. Peter pulled up just in time as the Heinkell passed under the electricity pylons there. Hi David, I will take a look when get chance (busy this weekend) but will get back to you in a couple of days, see if I can find anything that might jog your memory! Perhaps there was a fifth grave elsewhere in that crowded church yard, or perhaps his family had taken the remains back to Germany. my older sister included and I respect there feelings on this. Move on, Davey-Boy! Obelt. I clearly recall that the crash site was close to the road at Saddlescombe, facing the deep Devils Dyke valley and the hill beyond. I thought I’d ask here as apparently the crash is mentioned in Vol 2 Luftwaffe Crash Archives as well as Andy Saunders “Finding the Foe” (Chapter 8), 60024/67 FF Obergefr Gerhard FREUDE 14.10.18 Koslitz, Luben If ‘my’ four Germans were aviators, they might have been shot down on such a mission. Ju crew survived a good belly landing a few miles to the east, south-east of Winchester. Hi, My Father was a fitter in bomber command and the Bomber that he was in crashed at the end of 1944 or the beginning of 1945. The bomber crashed on the edge of RAF Kenley and it’s hardly likely that the remains would have been transported all that distance to Litlington. Unfortunately I don’t have a copy of Michael Hurst’s book however I learned of the crash site reading a review of a new book ‘ Cumbria At War 1939-45’ written by Ruth Mansergh and published by Pen and Sword. 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